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General Discussion / Re: Advice on Milling Bits
« Last post by corey on June 16, 2017, 06:05:00 AM »
Thank you Ryan! That has been very informative! I will contact tool companies for a selection of ready made tools first.
General Discussion / Re: Advice on Milling Bits
« Last post by ryanpennings on June 16, 2017, 04:01:24 AM »
Hi Corey,

1. HSS is sharper, but Carbide is harder & stiffer. For foam, HSS is probably suitable. Carbide might be better for really long tools, however. I've never used cobalt. HSS is also cheaper.
2. Coatings probably aren't necessary for wood, definitely not for foam (foam is very easy to cut). They can add cost but can extend the life of your tools. A lot of these coatings are for high amounts of us on metals anyway.
3. Foam - 2 or 4 flute would be fine (again foam is easy) I'd probably go with 2 flutes, with other materials such as wood, flute choice is based on a number of things and will affect your programming. I suggest you learn a bit about CNC before choosing one or the other.
4. Can't help you much, but what the robot can handle might not be the issue you face with long tools. Stress on the tool itself is more likely. (mostly with wood, not so much foam)

It's probably a good idea to talk to the tool supplier, so they can recommend tools suitable for your application.
Be prepared for tools to break as well..
There's a lot of factors going on in CNC that effect tool choice and programming, so as Johannes said, buying tools as you go along is the best option.

General Discussion / Re: Advice on Milling Bits
« Last post by corey on June 15, 2017, 04:09:59 AM »
Thank you Johannes!

Learning more about the tool bit to order i discovered more options from manufactures which i might need some assistance.

1. Material, would you suggest usual M-2 HSS, Cobalt M-42 or Carbide?
2. Is there any coating necessary? like Titanium Nitrite or Aluminum Titanium Nitrite?
3. How many flutes should i order (for wood and high density foam)?
4. What kind of total tool length do you think robotic arm can handle with rigidity? for example, if you are ordering a D=12mm endmill?

Thank you!!

General Discussion / Re: Advice on Milling Bits
« Last post by Johannes @ Robots in Architecture on June 14, 2017, 01:03:15 PM »
Hello Corey,

Hmmm... That's a tough decision. I would rather buy the tools as you go along, In addition to the ball end and end-mill tools, I find conical tools quite interesting for a variety of applications.
But you could buy a larger range of cheap tools to get you started, they will be OK for prototyping and then you will really value the upgrade to good tools ;)

General Discussion / Re: Advice on Milling Bits
« Last post by corey on June 14, 2017, 11:59:10 AM »
Thank you Johannes!

I was wondering if you have any suggestion on sizes and kind of tool bits we should have for starter?

We come from only a 3 axis techno CNC in our school and didn't know what the 12kW spindle is capable of milling wood and high density foam.

We have a 10 tool ATC (HSK 63F).

Thank you so much for your help and quick reply!

Best wishes,

General Discussion / Re: Advice on Milling Bits
« Last post by Johannes @ Robots in Architecture on June 14, 2017, 07:32:24 AM »
Hello Corey,

Milling tools are often made to order, and doing so is not particularly expensive. So you can define the cutting/flute length, diameter etc. yourself.
I'm not sure what companies are available in your place, some manufacturers are for example Leitz (e.g. used at ICD), Wedco (TU Vienna ordered there, if I remember correctly), Prewi (currently a favorite for wood at the Angewandte) and many others. Chances are good there are local manufacturers as well.
Just don't go overboard with the length/diameter and listen to your spindle ;)

General Discussion / Advice on Milling Bits
« Last post by corey on June 14, 2017, 06:37:24 AM »
Hello, we just bought our first Robotic system with a ABB6700 245kg and a HSD ES362 (HSK63F, ER32) spindle.

We will be mainly cutting fairly large sized objects such as feature walls molds in foam, or in wood.

1. Many of the tool bits in robotic milling video is super long, approx. 300mm-400mm sticking out with a wide radius. But widest radius end mill we see is around 110mm total length. Am i looking at the wrong tool bit website?

2. How do you guys see Indexable End Mill vs regular end mill for roughing?

Thank you!

Hello Di!,

I am sorry it has been a while before i logged in.

We had some ups and downs regarding the setup. We initially planned to buy second hand robots from Global robots and get them integrated in Taiwan. But turns out Taiwan has heavy import tax and integrator are reluctant to integrate such an open system - they are more accustomed to rigid industrial settings.

In the end, after sitting down with a few of Taiwanese integrator and failed the negotiation, we finally found a young team of integrator that are willing to integrate.

Now, we are integrating an ABB 6700 -245 3.0 robot with a HSD ES362 spindle, a 5m local made track with ABB motors for multi axis movement and a MID 500 turn table.

It's nice to know so many people are joining this evolution! I hope we can all keep contact.

I can be reached at +886 966510996 or if you have further questions. Or we can discuss here too!

General Discussion / Re: Advice on choosing the right robots
« Last post by rasub on June 09, 2017, 05:57:58 PM »
Our budget is around 750.000 Euros and we are looking for new robots. Also we try to find medium size robots 3x3m working area rotary bench  with more then 5 axis, automatic tool change, User-friendly CAD/CAM 3D, etc.

That's of course a tough question, what are your budgetary and spatial constraints? I.e. what size of robot can you fit (for large robot's I'd go for at least 5x5m per machine, weighing >1ton) and are you looking for new or used machines? New, large robots start at around 70k EUR each.

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